Mary Lambert is, na 54 jaar trouwe dienst als zondagschool juffrouw, eerloos 'ontslagen'. De reden? Vrouwen horen stil te zijn in de gemeente.
Sunday School Teacher Dismissed Because She's A Woman?
Wednesday, August 16, 2006, 6:17pm
A longtime Sunday school teacher told 7 News Wednesday that she's heartbroken after being dismissed--apparently because she is a woman.
Mary Lambert, who has taught Sunday School at Watertown's First Baptist Church for 54 years, said she received a letter from church leaders telling her she can no longer teach at the church.
Lambert showed 7 News the letter, which states that church leaders adopted a scriptural approach to Sunday school teachers.
The letter quotes 1 Timothy 2:11 -14 of the New Testament: "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
The letter states that the church's Diaconate Board unanimously decided to dismiss Lambert, who has taught a 9:30 a.m. Sunday school class for adults at the church for 11 years.
"No one was more surprised than I was to get that letter," said Lambert.
The letter was signed by church clerk Kendra LaBouf, who is married to Pastor Tim LaBouf.
Lambert said she believes there's more to her dismissal than meets the eye.
She said she and Pastor LaBouf have had differences of opinion concerning the direction of the church.
Tim LaBouf, who is also a member of the Watertown City Council, did not respond to repeated attempts for comment.
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Zondagschooljuf 'ontslagen' omdat ze een vrouw is
Tja....
Er zijn kerken die na verloop van tijd vrouwen mer toelaten
Er zijn blijkbaar ook kerken die na verloop van tijd er achter komen dat ze het altijd fout hebben gedaan.
Dan is dit wél de consequentie.
Maar er past ook schuldbelijdenis van de kerkenraad dat ze haar 54 jaar haar gang hebben laten gaan.
Er zijn kerken die na verloop van tijd vrouwen mer toelaten
Er zijn blijkbaar ook kerken die na verloop van tijd er achter komen dat ze het altijd fout hebben gedaan.
Dan is dit wél de consequentie.
Maar er past ook schuldbelijdenis van de kerkenraad dat ze haar 54 jaar haar gang hebben laten gaan.
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De betreffende dame vermoed dat de eigenlijke rede een meningsverschil met de predikant is. Als dat zo is is het natuurlijk niet netjes om haar op die manier uit te rangeren. Volgens het filmpje dat bij dit artikel hoort was er van te voren ook geen overleg geweest, maar kwam dit bericht als een donderslag bij heldere hemel. Een beetje vreemd allemaal.
Er zijn ook mensen die vinden dat een vrouw geen lerares godsdienst mag zijn op een vo-school.memento schreef:Mja, zondagschooljuf... Als dát niet mag, dan mag gewone juf toch ook niet?
Enfin, ook al hebben ze gelijk, dan ontsla je iemand na 54 jaar nog niet met een brief. Dan voer je eerst een stuk of wat gesprekken en dan geef je een ontzettende afscheidsfuif.
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Er was inderaad meer aan de hand. De kerk was of sterven na dood, totdat de nieuwe predikant kwam. Hij voerde veranderingen door, en de kerk begon te groeien. De betreffende dame stibbelde blijkbaar nogal tegen.
De verdediging van de predikant:
PRESS RELEASE
City Councilman Rev. Timothy LaBouf
1141 State St.
Watertown, N.Y. 13601
For Immediate Release
August 19, 2006
Ladies and gentlemen,
Over the course of the last several years as a Watertown City Councilmember I have had the distinct honor to speak with many of you about a variety of different issues. As a Councilmember I have been dedicated to listening to you and your points of view so that I could make decisions that would be in your best interests and bring about the best possible results for this community that we all love. I believe that together we have accomplished some great things and I firmly believe that our best days still lie ahead. I remain humbled and honored by the great trust that you have placed in me. It is a trust that I take very seriously and it is a trust that I do not want to jeopardize.
For the last several days I have remained silent about the decision that our board at the First Baptist Church made, which I work for and in concert with, to relieve a member of our church from teaching an adult class and the rational behind that decision. I know that my silence has been a source of frustration to some of you and many of you must have been thinking, “Why isn’t he speaking?” Others of you probably thought, “He has never been shy in front of the cameras before, why now?” I would have probably thought the same things if I were in your shoes so I’d like to explain the best I can to you the reasons for my initial silence.
The meeting in which our Board made this decision took place on the evening of Wednesday, August 9 at 6:30 p.m. On Thursday, August 10 the letter was mailed to Ms. Lambert. When I arrived home on the evening of Monday August 14 there was a message on my home answering machine from John W. Moore of Newswatch50 requesting that I call him at home or on his cell phone. I thought it was a bit late to phone him at home so my intention was to call him the following day. My initial thought was that he was calling in regard to a City issue.
Well, the following morning, Tuesday, August 15th I was saddened to learn via the Newswatch50 website that once again a private church matter was made public by Ms. Lambert. The media inquiries as you can imagine became increasing more intense by the hour and our board felt that it important to call a special meeting to formulate a public response. Many of you know what it is like trying to get people’s schedules to coordinate for meetings and so the board decided that Friday evening at 7:00 p.m. would provide the greatest opportunity for Board members to attend.
As frustrating as the waiting has been I felt it appropriate to first confer with our Board before making a public comment out of respect to them and their positions and to obtain guidance from them in regard to commenting on this issue to ensure that I would not create additional confusion and pain in our community.
I think we can all agree that there has been enough of that. I want you to know that waiting to comment this long has been extremely difficult for me also. I know that you can appreciate that and I am grateful for your understanding. Our special Board meeting took place tonight, Friday August 19, 2006 at 7:00 p.m. at which time the Board prepared a statement for the public that I am confident will be made available to you.
At this point I am now prepared to be transparent with you about this issue and how it relates to my role at the First Baptist Church and on the Watertown City Council.
First let me address this issue in regard to how it applies to my role at First Baptist Church and some of the history that led up to the Board’s decision. As most of you are aware when I arrived at First Baptist Church the congregation was dwindling and the church was headed for eventual closure. In a short period of time we began to see tremendous growth in the church which made me and many others feel thankful and blessed. In a short period of time classrooms that did not have children in them for a number of years were filling up with children, other parts of the building that had not been used in years were now needing to be utilized as a result of our growth. New members began stepping up willing to serve on boards and in various areas within the church. Changes began to be made to maximize our growth and meet the needs of the growing congregation.
The majority of our membership was genuinely excited about the growth and new hope for the future of the church, however, as you recall there were some who were unhappy with new members joining the church, changes that were being made and my performance in general as pastor. As a result a small group decided to forgo the mechanisms that we have in place for dealing with conflicts or disagreements within the church and elected to hire a local attorney and aired their grievances in a letter to the Watertown Daily Times.
The Board passed a resolution on May 21, 2006 reprimanding those individuals and their actions, encouraged them to avail themselves to our in house mechanisms for expressing concerns and complaints rather than utilizing the local media and acknowledged many of their actions as detrimental to the health and vitality of the church. Since the May 21 resolution the Board has been aware that several of those individuals continued to engage in activities the Board viewed as detrimental to the church family.
As stated in the Board’s August 19 press release the reasons for this most recent decision was, “multifaceted and the scriptural rules concerning women teaching men in a church setting was only a small aspect of that decision. Christian courtesy motivates us to refrain from making any public accusations against her.”
We had originally intended to include the various multifaceted reasons for the dismissal in our corresponds however after legal review it was recommended that we refrain from including issues that could be construed as slander and stick with “spiritual issues” that govern a church, which the courts have historically stayed out of. With threats of lawsuits in the past we wanted to try hard to not go down that road again. I am sure you can understand why we would desire to exercise caution.
As Pastor of the First Baptist Church I take very seriously my responsibilities to watch over the congregation and I also take very seriously proclaiming scripture as the truth and applicable for all situations of life and containing the blueprints for how we should structure our church corporately. I believe based on the consistent teaching of scripture that there are qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters within the church. These qualifications do not mean that one is superior or more important than another it only means that God has a special plan for each of us in accomplishing His work within the church setting.
I believe that as a Pastor I will ultimately stand before God and give an account of how I proclaimed and enforced His word within the church setting especially. Now I am fully aware that not everyone ascribes to my view of the scriptures but I would never vilify them for having a different religious view and I would hope that if you do hold a different view that you would extend to me the same courtesy.
I want you to know that my desire is to not hurt anyone or to belittle anyone but only to ensure that the scripture is upheld in our church and not compromised. Now having said all of this I am heartbroken that this situation has created pain in the lives of many in our community and I am truly sorry for that. I also think that it is unfortunate that this situation within our church came to a head the way that it did and that we were not able to work through it more effectively within our church and that it became a public debate. I am also sorry for that however I will remain prayerful that the various discussions will lead to spiritual growth for many.
Many have drawn conclusions as to how this issue applies to my role as a Watertown City Councilmember. My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period. Now let me explain my position of the role of women in society especially because that is where many of the discussions have centered and some false accusations have been made that need correction. I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to. Growing up I was primarily educated by the Sisters of Saint Joseph and I like to believe that they did a really good job; at least they did the best they could with the pupil in me they had to work with. I have fond memories of their instructions and they have my genuine and enduring gratitude.
As you are aware we have a female city manager, Mary Corriveau. Each year the council is required to complete a comprehensive review of the City Manager’s performance and if you will recall typically it has been I who has given her some of the highest accolades. If I felt any other way than believing that women can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that they desire to certainly those views would have been reflected in my review.
I believe the Mary Corriveau is one of the best City Managers that we have had and I am thankful for her hard work and dedication to our community. In addition to Mary Corriveau we have a number of female employees that serve in various capacities in our city. I can tell you that they are good, dedicated employees who put in long hours to the benefit of the City of Watertown and I am grateful for their service.
I have a number of female acquaintances and friends that work in our business community, in the military and in other professional situations that I have always treated with respect and with the utmost regards. I have supported many of them in their professional endeavors and will continue to conduct myself in the same manner.
In my heart I know that each of you know me and that I have continually proven to you over the years that we have been together that I treat both men and woman as equals and that I work hard to be fair with all to the best of my ability and try to conduct my affairs with character and integrity.
For those of you who have given me the benefit of the doubt and have stood by me I am truly grateful for your support and friendship. For those of you who have had doubts I certainly understand and I sincerely hope that this correspondence has clarified things for you and if further clarification is needed please don’t hesitate to contact me and I would be happy to give further explanation.
This has certainly been a learning experience for me and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for your understanding and continued trust as we move forward together to accomplish positive goals for our community.
Very truly yours,
Timothy R. LaBouf
De verdediging van de predikant:
PRESS RELEASE
City Councilman Rev. Timothy LaBouf
1141 State St.
Watertown, N.Y. 13601
For Immediate Release
August 19, 2006
Ladies and gentlemen,
Over the course of the last several years as a Watertown City Councilmember I have had the distinct honor to speak with many of you about a variety of different issues. As a Councilmember I have been dedicated to listening to you and your points of view so that I could make decisions that would be in your best interests and bring about the best possible results for this community that we all love. I believe that together we have accomplished some great things and I firmly believe that our best days still lie ahead. I remain humbled and honored by the great trust that you have placed in me. It is a trust that I take very seriously and it is a trust that I do not want to jeopardize.
For the last several days I have remained silent about the decision that our board at the First Baptist Church made, which I work for and in concert with, to relieve a member of our church from teaching an adult class and the rational behind that decision. I know that my silence has been a source of frustration to some of you and many of you must have been thinking, “Why isn’t he speaking?” Others of you probably thought, “He has never been shy in front of the cameras before, why now?” I would have probably thought the same things if I were in your shoes so I’d like to explain the best I can to you the reasons for my initial silence.
The meeting in which our Board made this decision took place on the evening of Wednesday, August 9 at 6:30 p.m. On Thursday, August 10 the letter was mailed to Ms. Lambert. When I arrived home on the evening of Monday August 14 there was a message on my home answering machine from John W. Moore of Newswatch50 requesting that I call him at home or on his cell phone. I thought it was a bit late to phone him at home so my intention was to call him the following day. My initial thought was that he was calling in regard to a City issue.
Well, the following morning, Tuesday, August 15th I was saddened to learn via the Newswatch50 website that once again a private church matter was made public by Ms. Lambert. The media inquiries as you can imagine became increasing more intense by the hour and our board felt that it important to call a special meeting to formulate a public response. Many of you know what it is like trying to get people’s schedules to coordinate for meetings and so the board decided that Friday evening at 7:00 p.m. would provide the greatest opportunity for Board members to attend.
As frustrating as the waiting has been I felt it appropriate to first confer with our Board before making a public comment out of respect to them and their positions and to obtain guidance from them in regard to commenting on this issue to ensure that I would not create additional confusion and pain in our community.
I think we can all agree that there has been enough of that. I want you to know that waiting to comment this long has been extremely difficult for me also. I know that you can appreciate that and I am grateful for your understanding. Our special Board meeting took place tonight, Friday August 19, 2006 at 7:00 p.m. at which time the Board prepared a statement for the public that I am confident will be made available to you.
At this point I am now prepared to be transparent with you about this issue and how it relates to my role at the First Baptist Church and on the Watertown City Council.
First let me address this issue in regard to how it applies to my role at First Baptist Church and some of the history that led up to the Board’s decision. As most of you are aware when I arrived at First Baptist Church the congregation was dwindling and the church was headed for eventual closure. In a short period of time we began to see tremendous growth in the church which made me and many others feel thankful and blessed. In a short period of time classrooms that did not have children in them for a number of years were filling up with children, other parts of the building that had not been used in years were now needing to be utilized as a result of our growth. New members began stepping up willing to serve on boards and in various areas within the church. Changes began to be made to maximize our growth and meet the needs of the growing congregation.
The majority of our membership was genuinely excited about the growth and new hope for the future of the church, however, as you recall there were some who were unhappy with new members joining the church, changes that were being made and my performance in general as pastor. As a result a small group decided to forgo the mechanisms that we have in place for dealing with conflicts or disagreements within the church and elected to hire a local attorney and aired their grievances in a letter to the Watertown Daily Times.
The Board passed a resolution on May 21, 2006 reprimanding those individuals and their actions, encouraged them to avail themselves to our in house mechanisms for expressing concerns and complaints rather than utilizing the local media and acknowledged many of their actions as detrimental to the health and vitality of the church. Since the May 21 resolution the Board has been aware that several of those individuals continued to engage in activities the Board viewed as detrimental to the church family.
As stated in the Board’s August 19 press release the reasons for this most recent decision was, “multifaceted and the scriptural rules concerning women teaching men in a church setting was only a small aspect of that decision. Christian courtesy motivates us to refrain from making any public accusations against her.”
We had originally intended to include the various multifaceted reasons for the dismissal in our corresponds however after legal review it was recommended that we refrain from including issues that could be construed as slander and stick with “spiritual issues” that govern a church, which the courts have historically stayed out of. With threats of lawsuits in the past we wanted to try hard to not go down that road again. I am sure you can understand why we would desire to exercise caution.
As Pastor of the First Baptist Church I take very seriously my responsibilities to watch over the congregation and I also take very seriously proclaiming scripture as the truth and applicable for all situations of life and containing the blueprints for how we should structure our church corporately. I believe based on the consistent teaching of scripture that there are qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters within the church. These qualifications do not mean that one is superior or more important than another it only means that God has a special plan for each of us in accomplishing His work within the church setting.
I believe that as a Pastor I will ultimately stand before God and give an account of how I proclaimed and enforced His word within the church setting especially. Now I am fully aware that not everyone ascribes to my view of the scriptures but I would never vilify them for having a different religious view and I would hope that if you do hold a different view that you would extend to me the same courtesy.
I want you to know that my desire is to not hurt anyone or to belittle anyone but only to ensure that the scripture is upheld in our church and not compromised. Now having said all of this I am heartbroken that this situation has created pain in the lives of many in our community and I am truly sorry for that. I also think that it is unfortunate that this situation within our church came to a head the way that it did and that we were not able to work through it more effectively within our church and that it became a public debate. I am also sorry for that however I will remain prayerful that the various discussions will lead to spiritual growth for many.
Many have drawn conclusions as to how this issue applies to my role as a Watertown City Councilmember. My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period. Now let me explain my position of the role of women in society especially because that is where many of the discussions have centered and some false accusations have been made that need correction. I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to. Growing up I was primarily educated by the Sisters of Saint Joseph and I like to believe that they did a really good job; at least they did the best they could with the pupil in me they had to work with. I have fond memories of their instructions and they have my genuine and enduring gratitude.
As you are aware we have a female city manager, Mary Corriveau. Each year the council is required to complete a comprehensive review of the City Manager’s performance and if you will recall typically it has been I who has given her some of the highest accolades. If I felt any other way than believing that women can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that they desire to certainly those views would have been reflected in my review.
I believe the Mary Corriveau is one of the best City Managers that we have had and I am thankful for her hard work and dedication to our community. In addition to Mary Corriveau we have a number of female employees that serve in various capacities in our city. I can tell you that they are good, dedicated employees who put in long hours to the benefit of the City of Watertown and I am grateful for their service.
I have a number of female acquaintances and friends that work in our business community, in the military and in other professional situations that I have always treated with respect and with the utmost regards. I have supported many of them in their professional endeavors and will continue to conduct myself in the same manner.
In my heart I know that each of you know me and that I have continually proven to you over the years that we have been together that I treat both men and woman as equals and that I work hard to be fair with all to the best of my ability and try to conduct my affairs with character and integrity.
For those of you who have given me the benefit of the doubt and have stood by me I am truly grateful for your support and friendship. For those of you who have had doubts I certainly understand and I sincerely hope that this correspondence has clarified things for you and if further clarification is needed please don’t hesitate to contact me and I would be happy to give further explanation.
This has certainly been a learning experience for me and from the bottom of my heart I thank you for your understanding and continued trust as we move forward together to accomplish positive goals for our community.
Very truly yours,
Timothy R. LaBouf
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Dat is inderdaad een erg goed boek. Ik heb het 2 keer gelezen. Aanbevolen voor iedereen die gecharmeerd is van Robert Schuller (Crystal Cathedral / Hour of Power), de Willow Creek Association (Bill Hybels), Rick Warren (Saddleback) of de Church growth movement.Unionist schreef:Daar heeft Francine Rivers een heel mooi boek over geschreven: De roep van de Sjofar.
Robert Schuller, daar noem je ff een lekker dubieus figuur :S (zoek maar eens op google dan vind je genoeg, bv deze site: http://www.issuesetc.org/resource/archives/gudel2.htm)Dathenum schreef:Dat is inderdaad een erg goed boek. Ik heb het 2 keer gelezen. Aanbevolen voor iedereen die gecharmeerd is van Robert Schuller (Crystal Cathedral / Hour of Power), de Willow Creek Association (Bill Hybels), Rick Warren (Saddleback) of de Church growth movement.Unionist schreef:Daar heeft Francine Rivers een heel mooi boek over geschreven: De roep van de Sjofar.
Ik citeer een klein stukje:
I am convinced that the deepest of all human needs is salvation from sin and hell .... We come now to the problem of semantics. What do I mean by sin? Answer: Any human condition or act that robs God of glory by stripping one of his children of their right to divine dignity. I could offer another complementing answer, "Sin is that deep lack of trust that separates me from God and leaves me with a sense of shame and unworthiness." I can offer still another answer: "Sin is any act or thought that robs myself or another human being of his or her self-esteem." (Schuller, Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, p. 14.)
Laatst gewijzigd door memento op 22 aug 2006, 09:14, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
Ik herkende in het boek ook veel uit de orthodoxe hoek. Kapotmaken van hen die kerkelijke ontwikkelingen niet mee kunnen maken is niet iets exculiefs van de church grown movement.Dathenum schreef:Dat is inderdaad een erg goed boek. Ik heb het 2 keer gelezen. Aanbevolen voor iedereen die gecharmeerd is van Robert Schuller (Crystal Cathedral / Hour of Power), de Willow Creek Association (Bill Hybels), Rick Warren (Saddleback) of de Church growth movement.Unionist schreef:Daar heeft Francine Rivers een heel mooi boek over geschreven: De roep van de Sjofar.
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Zoveel vernieuwing zit er toch niet in, in de orthodoxe hoek? Niet dat ik dat zou willen hoor, tenzij het inhoudelijk een aantoonbare kwalitatieve verbetering is en de eenheid bewaard zou blijven.Unionist schreef:Ik herkende in het boek ook veel uit de orthodoxe hoek. Kapotmaken van hen die kerkelijke ontwikkelingen niet mee kunnen maken is niet iets exculiefs van de church grown movement.
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Niet dat ik Schuller wil verdedigen, ik kijk weleens naar Hour of Power en wat er gezegd wordt is wat mij betreft vaak nogal wat oppervlakking.memento schreef: Ik citeer een klein stukje:
I am convinced that the deepest of all human needs is salvation from sin and hell .... We come now to the problem of semantics. What do I mean by sin? Answer: Any human condition or act that robs God of glory by stripping one of his children of their right to divine dignity. I could offer another complementing answer, "Sin is that deep lack of trust that separates me from God and leaves me with a sense of shame and unworthiness." I can offer still another answer: "Sin is any act or thought that robs myself or another human being of his or her self-esteem." (Schuller, Self-Esteem: The New Reformation, p. 14.)
Het verbaast mij echter dat je in bovenstaand citaat een bepaalde zin accentueert over wat volgens Schuller nu precies zonde is. In hetzelfde citaat wordt ook nog vermeld dat, ik citeer: "Any human condition or act that robs God of glory by stripping one of his childer of their right to divine dignity", en "Sin is that deep lack of trust that seperates me from God and leaves me with a sense of shame and unworthiness".
Kun je motiveren waarom jij enkel de nadruk op de door jou geaccentueerde zin? Ik vind het namelijk buitengewoon stigmatiserend.
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Nog wat uitspraken van Schuller:Shaul schreef:Kun je motiveren waarom jij enkel de nadruk op de door jou geaccentueerde zin? Ik vind het namelijk buitengewoon stigmatiserend.
Konden wij onszelf maar genoeg liefhebben om tot God te durven naderen … Maar wij voelen ons te onwaardig. De ene laag van negatief gedrag wordt op de andere geplaatst, tot wij ons vertonen als opstandige zondaars. Maar onze rebellie is een reactie, niet onze natuur. Van nature zijn wij vreesachtig , niet slecht. Erfzonde is geen boosaardige karaktertrek ; het is een geneigdheid tot wantrouwen … zeg niet dat de kern van de menselijke ziel ondeugend is. Als dat zo zou zijn, dan is het menselijke wezen waarlijk totaal verdorven. Maar positief Christendom houdt niet vast aan menselijke verdorvenheid, maar aan menselijke onbekwaamheid.
Hij heeft ze nooit “zondaars” genoemd. Hij zag grote mogelijkheden in elk van deze mensen. Hoe heeft hij toch getracht hen het gevoel te geven van zelfachting en de waardigheid die zij verdienden! Zij waren tenslotte menselijke wezens, afstammelingen van God.
Christus heeft altijd getracht om de mensen hun zelfbeeld op te krikken. Wanneer Hij immorele mensen ontmoette, noemde Hij hen nooit zondaars. Nooit!
Hij geloofde in de waardigheid van het individu. Zodus noemde Hij nooit iemand een zondaar. Hij zag het individu altijd als een heilige.
Wedergeboren worden betekent dat wij moeten veranderd worden van een negatief tot een positief zelfbeeld - van inferioriteit naar zelfrespect, van vrees naar liefde, van twijfel naar vertrouwen.
Het Christendom met zijn doctrine van redding is een door God ontworpen geloof in de heerlijkheid van het menselijke wezen, tot meerdere heerlijkheid van God. Daarom kunnen wij bidden: “O God, Ik ben voornaam”
Maar het kruis heiligt de egotrip. Dat is erg significant. Met andere woorden: Jezus had een ego. Hij zei: “En Ik, als Ik van de aarde verhoogd ben, zal allen naar Mij toe trekken” . Wow, wat een egotrip had Hij daar!
Het bijbelse evangelie? Ik kan weinig bijbels gehalte ontdekken, om over evangelie maar te zwijgen. Stigmatiserend? Nou ja, hij zegt het toch maar wel allemaal.