See: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.a ... 1303195832

Unionist schreef:See: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.a ... 1303195832

mmm, heb je ook iets in het nederlands?

Kijk eens naar de titel van deze rubriek...

Unionist schreef:Kijk eens naar de titel van deze rubriek...

:

Calvin declared that birth control was the murder of future persons and the Synod of Dordt issued a Bible commentary which stated that contraception was the same as abortion.

Tsja, als je zo gaat rederneren is vrijgezel blijven ook een moord op mensen die geboren hadden kunnen worden. Er zijn genoeg argumenten om tegen anticonceptie te zijn, maar dit vind ik geen goed argument. Het leven begint bij de conceptie, en een moord is enkel mogelijk als er al leven is, dus vanaf de conceptie.

Dathenum schreef:

Calvin declared that birth control was the murder of future persons and the Synod of Dordt issued a Bible commentary which stated that contraception was the same as abortion.

Tsja, als je zo gaat rederneren is vrijgezel blijven ook een moord op mensen die geboren hadden kunnen worden. Er zijn genoeg argumenten om tegen anticonceptie te zijn, maar dit vind ik geen goed argument. Het leven begint bij de conceptie, en een moord is enkel mogelijk als er al leven is, dus vanaf de conceptie.

Calvijn was er mordicus op tegen
en dan overdrijf je wel eens....

English please....

refo schreef:English please....

Excuse me, I'll correct myself:

Calvin declared that birth control was the murder of future persons and the Synod of Dordt issued a Bible commentary which stated that contraception was the same as abortion.

Well, if you are going to ague that way, to stay single also is murder on future persons which could have been born. There are good arguments against contraception, but this one is not a good argument. Life starts at the conception, and a murder only is possible if there is life, so a murder is only possible when de conception has occured.

In that way you are guilty of murder every night you don't have sex. That is ridiculous.

Unionist schreef:In that way you are guilty of murder every night you don't have sex. That is ridiculous.

Yeah, being guilty when having NO sex doesn't sound very bad for some people!

In the Scolastic point of view one is every time on a choice out of two ways to go. By choosing the bad way another, better world can't exist. In that better world there would be born a child, that is not born as result of the contracept. I think that is how we must understand this 'strange' opinion.

refo schreef:In the Scolastic point of view one is every time on a choice out of two ways to go. By choosing the bad way another, better world can't exist. In that better world there would be born a child, that is not born as result of the contracept. I think that is how we must understand this 'strange' opinion.

When masturbating -or even when undertaking no sexual activity whatever- someone could also use his semen in a 'better' way (from a Scholastic point of view). Does this point of view mean that someone has to intercourse very regularly, to prevent high "opportunity costs" from spilled semen?

Sounds strange, very strange :shock:


But of course, I am also strongly opposed to anticonception. Be a man and have no sex at all if you do not want a possible result of it.

Vincent schreef:When masturbating -or even when undertaking no sexual activity whatever- someone could also use his semen in a 'better' way (from a Scholastic point of view). Does this point of view mean that someone has to intercourse very regularly, to prevent high "opportunity costs" from spilled semen?

Sounds strange, very strange :shock:

Masturbation is also to be opposed to, because when one looks at a women with a lustful eye, he already has commited adultry. Of course this doesn't apply to a "wet dream", which is an natural thing.

Furthermore, I think that contraception sometimes is allowed (even is a duty) for instance for the health of the woman. In the past (also in the times of the bible) baby's got 3 years breastfeeding. During that time the woman wouldn't get pregnant. Actually a natural kind of birth control. But birth control for economical reasons (or other selfish reasons) is against scripture.

Vincent schreef:Be a man and have no sex at all if you do not want a possible result of it.

This has nothing to do with 'be a man'. This is just a point of view.

In my opinion married couples do not only have sex to get children, but sex is a part of their married life. A part of the relationship between a man and a woman.

Vincent schreef:But of course, I am also strongly opposed to anticonception. Be a man and have no sex at all if you do not want a possible result of it.

so, sex is only a way of reproduction?