Uitgegeven: 11 mei 2004 19:38
Laatst gewijzigd: 12 mei 2004 07:53
DUBAI - Op een video die dinsdag is verschenen op een website van moslimextremisten is te zien hoe vijf gemaskerde mannen een 26-jarige Amerikaan onthoofden. De daders zeggen de man, wiens lijk zaterdag in Bagdad is gevonden, te straffen voor de mishandeling van Iraakse gevangenen door Amerikaanse militairen.
De in een oranje overall geklede man zegt wie hij is. "Mijn naam is Nick Berg, mijn vaders naam is Michael, mijn moeders naam is Suzanne. Ik woon in Philadelphia." Achter hem staan vijf gemaskerde mannen met hoofddoeken op. Een van hen leest een verklaring voor, waarna zij de man op zijn zij rollen en hem het hoofd afsnijden. "Allah akbar", schreeuwen de daders - Allah is groot.
In één woord vreselijk!
Extremistische moslimsite toont onthoofding Amerikaan
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Pink Ivy
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Jelle
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Barryvrouw
- Berichten: 1276
- Lid geworden op: 10 mar 2004, 11:54
Ik heb (gelukkkig?) de details niet gezien...Oorspronkelijk gepost door tukkertje
Walchelijk, en dan hun maar zeuren over een aantal naakte foto's (wat overigens ook niet goed is hoor).
vind dit nog wel een tikkeltje erger en wreder. Heb het filmpje gezien. Bizar
Maar het komt helaas wel meer voor, tijdje geleden toch met een Spaanse journalist en nog wel een paar anderen.
Met vriendelijke groet, Rick Marsman
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Pink Ivy
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Jelle
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Pink Ivy
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Olli
Ja maar iedere dood is in principe nutteloos! Elke vorm van kwaad is nutteloos, maar dat is weer een heel andere discussie.
Ik weet wel dat het een hele lastige kwestie is en dat het om de drommel niet meevalt om in deze situatie goed te handelen, je strijkt altijd iemand tegen de haren in.
Ik denk dat het beste wat we kunnen doen, is bidden om vrede en wijsheid, meer kunnen we niet doen...
Ik weet wel dat het een hele lastige kwestie is en dat het om de drommel niet meevalt om in deze situatie goed te handelen, je strijkt altijd iemand tegen de haren in.
Ik denk dat het beste wat we kunnen doen, is bidden om vrede en wijsheid, meer kunnen we niet doen...
Het onthoofdingsfilmpje van de Amerikaan gaat op dit moment het internet over als een grote olievlek. Echter er zijn sterke aanwijzingen dat het filmpje niet echt is.
Dit las ik op een internetpagina:1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor
regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis
2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any
remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be
struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional
torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly
prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national
security" issues for witholding additional materials.
3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.
4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue
(compare with pictures at Guantanamo).
5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either
he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and
all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to
change).
6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg
sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with
hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost
motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.
7) Audio clearly dubbed in.
8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on?
9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.
10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.
11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible
blood on it.
12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg
would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.
13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.
14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly
dubbed in.
15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information
about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a
positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his
identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by
family.
Dit las ik op een internetpagina:1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor
regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis
2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any
remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be
struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional
torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly
prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national
security" issues for witholding additional materials.
3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.
4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue
(compare with pictures at Guantanamo).
5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either
he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and
all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to
change).
6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg
sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with
hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost
motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.
7) Audio clearly dubbed in.
8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on?
9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.
10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.
11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible
blood on it.
12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg
would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.
13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.
14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly
dubbed in.
15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information
about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a
positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his
identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by
family.
het is te wensen, maar toen ik het zag vond ik het een misselijkmakende film.Oorspronkelijk gepost door tukkertje
Het onthoofdingsfilmpje van de Amerikaan gaat op dit moment het internet over als een grote olievlek. Echter er zijn sterke aanwijzingen dat het filmpje niet echt is.
Dit las ik op een internetpagina:1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor
regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis
2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any
remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be
struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional
torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly
prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national
security" issues for witholding additional materials.
3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.
4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue
(compare with pictures at Guantanamo).
5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either
he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and
all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to
change).
6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg
sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with
hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost
motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.
7) Audio clearly dubbed in.
8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on?
9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.
10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.
11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible
blood on it.
12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg
would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.
13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.
14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly
dubbed in.
15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information
about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a
positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his
identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by
family.
Zeg Tukkertje, zou je er bij kunnen zetten welke internet pagina dat was?Oorspronkelijk gepost door tukkertje
Het onthoofdingsfilmpje van de Amerikaan gaat op dit moment het internet over als een grote olievlek. Echter er zijn sterke aanwijzingen dat het filmpje niet echt is.
Dit las ik op een internetpagina:
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Punt 3 wist ik niets van.
Punt 11 - ik zag ook dat er weinig bloed was.
De andere punten vind ik niet bepaald overtuigend bewijs.